Local democracy

Agenda and draft minutes

Venue: The View Room, Margaret McMillan Tower, Bradford, BD1 1NN

Contact: Su Booth 

Items
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16.

DISCLOSURES OF INTEREST

(Members Code of Conduct – Part 4A of the Constitution)

 

To receive disclosures of interests from members and co-opted members on matters to be considered at the meeting. The disclosure must include the nature of the interest.

 

An interest must also be disclosed in the meeting when it becomes apparent to the member during the meeting.

 

Notes:

 

(1)       Members must consider their interests, and act according to the following:

 

Type of Interest

You must:

 

 

Disclosable Pecuniary Interests

Disclose the interest; not participate in the discussion or vote; and leave the meeting unless you have a dispensation.

 

 

Other Registrable Interests (Directly Related)

OR

Non-Registrable Interests (Directly Related)

Disclose the interest; speak on the item only if the public are also allowed to speak but otherwise not participate in the discussion or vote; and leave the meeting unless you have a dispensation.

 

 

Other Registrable Interests (Affects)

OR

Non-Registrable Interests (Affects)

Disclose the interest; remain in the meeting, participate and vote unless the matter affects the financial interest or well-being

 

 

(a) to a greater extent than it affects the financial interests of a majority of inhabitants of the affected ward, and

 

(b) a reasonable member of the public knowing all the facts would believe that it would affect your view of the wider public interest; in which case speak on the item only if the public are also allowed to speak but otherwise not do not participate in the discussion or vote; and leave the meeting unless you have a dispensation.

 

(2)       Disclosable pecuniary interests relate to the Member concerned or their spouse/partner.

 

(3)       Members in arrears of Council Tax by more than two months must not vote in decisions on, or which might affect, budget calculations, and must disclose at the meeting that this restriction applies to them.  A failure to comply with these requirements is a criminal offence under section 106 of the Local Government Finance Act 1992. 

 

(4)       Officers must disclose interests in accordance with Council Standing Order 44.

Minutes:

No disclosures of interest were received.

17.

INSPECTION OF REPORTS AND BACKGROUND PAPERS

(Access to Information Procedure Rules – Part 3B of the Constitution)

 

Reports and background papers for agenda items may be inspected by contacting the person shown after each agenda item.  Certain reports and background papers may be restricted. 

 

Any request to remove the restriction on a report or background paper should be made to the relevant Strategic Director or Assistant Director whose name is shown on the front page of the report. 

 

If that request is refused, there is a right of appeal to this meeting. 

 

Please contact the officer shown below in advance of the meeting if you wish to appeal. 

 

(Su Booth – 07814 073884)

Minutes:

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18.

AGENDA DOCUMENT pdf icon PDF 73 KB

A copy of the agenda has been attached with information regarding meeting timings for information.

19.

INTRODUCTION AND WELCOME BY YOUNG PERSON

Theme: "Communication between professionals and young people". 

 

20.

TABLE DISCUSSIONS

·            Jargon and clear language

·            Ways to effectively communicate

·            Understanding young people’s lives in conversations/decisions

·            Importance of giving an answer and providing feedback

Minutes:

Child Friendly Language – Table 1

 

·       Do not use certain words, like placement it is home.

 

·       Contact – should use family time, it is about meeting family

 

 

·       Use ordinary words not special/different ones.  For example someone not in care wouldn’t know what a placement was.

 

·       Language should be appropriate to age and level of understanding

 

·       Maturity of young person, some things are individual choice and important knowing the person and their choice, for example how their carer is referred as.  Important to know the person and make them feel valued.

 

·       Can easily be forgotten when busy or change of worker but gives wrong impression.

 

·       Language shouldn’t be any different.

 

One of the first conversations with a young person should be establishing which words/phrases they want to use.

 

Ways to communicate – Table 2

 

·       There shouldn’t be a difference from how a teacher, carer or social worker talk to a young person.  It is about getting to know the person you are talking to, if don’t know personality it is going to be harder to communicate with each other.

 

·       Communication isn’t just talking, older children might prefer texts and/or calls.  If appointments are cancelled Social Worker speaks to carer to pass message on, could have a group message.

 

·       Top tip to Social Workers – give as much support as children need, if don’t they won’t understand what is going on, why moved into care.  Little things like that makes them think why moving, what’s going on.  When there and settled in a bit have to tell them what is going on.  Young person on table 2 had been there 3 years but not told why.  This tip could be for all workers including teachers.

 

Giving an Answer – Table 3

 

·       It is human right to be given an answer and reason.  A lot of time told “no” and when ask why told “manager said no”.  If we understand reasoning it is easier to come to terms with.  Young person needs to be part of journey of wants and needs and needs to be part of discussion.  This will create better relationship between everyone in that young persons life.

 

·       It is difficult creates a barrier to be told “no” and may not have confident to ask why.  Upsetting if people don’t want to answer you and creates a lack of trust which is spread across young persons life.

 

·       Need to get better at saying “don’t know but will come back to you”.

 

Understanding of somebodies life – Table 4

 

·       Heart of everything we do – bit of a slogan, what does it mean?  Didn’t have answer but talked about how we make it real.

 

·       Impact of young people having to repeat their stories over and over and how traumatic it might be – do we need more trauma training for professionals especially when first come into care how understand trauma and how deal with it.

 

·       Listening most important part of communication, talked about hearing but not listening.

 

·       Important to understand how children  ...  view the full minutes text for item 20.

21.

CASE STUDIES/PERSONAL STORIES AND PROBLEM SOLVING

Minutes:

Scenario set: 15 year old whose home is closing.   ?

 

There was a lack of communication and planning.  It must have been really hard for a 15 year old.  A lot of children in care have problems communicating with Social Workers, they don’t answer calls.  Placement thought place was going to be given to another child.  Problem being moved away from girlfriend and family network.  Sam’s packed bags are a constant reminder of uncertainty.  From young people’s perspective need to know what is going to happen, where was his voice?  Need to change schools again.  He needed to be involved in decisions and placed near family and friends.

 

This is a real case of a person currently working with and this is his current situation.  When asked how he felt he said it make him feel scared, he did not know what was happening and could have gone to sleep and been moving in the morning.  Sam is autistic and didn’t want to move, he understood why and knew wasn’t his fault but for the last 3 months his belongings have been packed in a suitcase because he had been moved so many times didn’t see point in unpacking.  He did not know if all the relationships he had were just going to go and he would have nobody to fall back on. 

 

How powerful was the case study, he still doesn’t know where he is going.  Young person wasn’t at the heart of everything we do.

 

Case Study 1

24 year old who wanted to access driving lessons.  Social Worker wouldn’t prioritise as nearly 25.

 

What was wrong?

No recognition of value of young person, no empathy, no respect for needs.  Needs of worker took precedent.  Young person didn’t know what rights were and should have had driving lessons offered at 17, this leads to the question, how aware are children of their entitlements?  This case escalated through management, had not been advised to use proper routes.  Lots of emphasis on age.  Attitude of social worker very dismissive, follow on from first session no understanding.  Should have been better response and passed information on.  The rights of the young person were not taken into consideration.

 

Again, this is a real case study, it is Trish’s experience.

 

This is how the social worker treated me, hurtful for me.  It’s a scary time as going to be leaving soon.  I don’t like making emails to management, had to do it.  Got phone call two minutes after email with social worker having a go at me and saying shouldn’t have done it.  I asked for my file and was denied it, asked 3 times, was told “no, can’t be bothered, haven’t got time”.  When met him said he was “really disappointed in me, won’t go into this or talk about it now.  If they do make me do your file because I’ve got problems and will send to someone else to do it because I can’t be bothered”.  They did not talk  ...  view the full minutes text for item 21.

22.

FEEDBACK REGARDING OUTSTANDING ACTIONS

Pathway Plans - including readjusting expectations of what young people need to do/be able to do by the time they leave care.  Ensure children are involved in writing the plan and not a tick box exercise.

 

Mental Health Support - needs to be proactive and ensure support is available when required and not on a waiting list.  Also, investigate what other support in addition to CAMHS is available.  Entering care is traumatic, some form of therapy at this time would be helpful.  Look at work with Foster Carers and schools being trained in mental health first aid.  Consistency as responses can vary, look at supporting foster carers and care homes.

 

Buddy System - including a youth forum which would have the knowledge and support of people who have been in care.  Look into monthly workshops on different subjects, i.e., what do bills look like and how to deal with them.  Look into online videos for different areas of help and support needed.  Everything does not have to come from professionals, it may be better received from people of a similar age/experience.

 

And introduction to today’s Theme

 

"Communication between professionals and young people". 

 

Minutes:

Pathway Plans: including readjusting expectations of what young people need to do/be able to do by the time they leave care.  Ensure children are involved in writing the plan and not a tick box exercise.

This is still being discussed and an ongoing process.  We are looking at how they can be child friendly and have focus on who doing what.

 

Mental Health Support: needs to be proactive and ensure support is available when required and not on a waiting list.  Also, investigate what other support in addition to CAMHS is available.  Entering care is traumatic, some form of therapy at this time would be helpful.  Look at work with Foster Carers and schools being trained in mental health first aid.  Consistency as responses can vary, look at supporting foster carers and care homes.

 

Buddy System:

This was raised at the Corporate Parenting Strategy meeting.  There is not an identified person who says will teach care leavers how to do things.  Talked about flats that are set up and whether there should be a buddy system for that.  Earlier in the meeting talked about cliff edge that aged 25 if a care leaver.  As a family would not cut someone off at 25, it is about making sure there is a support network outside of care.  William Dixon from Become charity has been asked to come and do a talk about what changes have been made.

 

23.

TAKE AWAY THEMES

Minutes:

Relationships professionals have, who else have relationship with who are not children.

 

Have a great Youth Service, what support could Youth Workers provide.  Social Workers and Youth Workers could learn from each other.

 

Training: The best people to give training to Social Workers are the children and young people.  How we support Social Workers to be better at listening.  How we get everyone to listen – schools, health etc.  The training needs to be mandatory.  Needs to be consistency in language and support.  Start small and grow to include housing providers, police etc.  Training should also include ensuring children and young people are told what is happening in their life.

 

Training is done for AYSE academy as a bolt on could provide to newly qualified Social Workers; those just out of university and those who have been Social Workers a long time.

Amandip will produce a plan on how this can be done and work.  This is shared ownership and commitment to drive this forward. 

 

Language: A list of words Social Workers use that the children and young people would like us to change.  Commitment is needed and maybe at first review get agreement and once agreed those are the words used.